Comments on: EU Fines Microsoft $732 Million Over Browser Wheel Glitch http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/ PC enthusiasts one-stop resource for high-quality reviews, articles and current technology news. Tue, 28 Jul 2015 21:53:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: Daniel Bethe http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1097 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:16:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1097 Imagine if anyone but Microsoft had an illegal monopoly.

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By: Daniel Bethe http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1096 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:14:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1096 Various browsers have existed on iOS for years. However, in the context of this article, that is absolutely moot, because Apple is not an illegal monopoly.

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By: Daniel Bethe http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1095 Thu, 14 Mar 2013 23:13:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1095 iOS is the market leader, without an illegal monopoly. The *problem* is that Microsoft is an illegal monopoly.

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By: Rob Williams http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1054 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 23:40:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1054 The entire debacle can be summed-up like this:

Apple bundles Safari with all of its iOS deployments. EU is fine with it.
Apple bundles Safari with all of its Mac OS X deployments. EU is fine with it.
Canonical bundles Firefox with all of its Ubuntu deployments. EU is fine with it.
Microsoft bundles IE with all of its Windows deployments. EU goes ballistic.

“Apple as a vendor does the same with its own products, such as the iPhone, iPad and the Mac.”

There are still some differences I don’t think are too clear:

If someone wants an Android phone and doesn’t want Chrome bundled in, they have a ton of options. If someone wants an iPhone or Mac without Safari built in, their choices are 0. If someone wants a Windows PC without IE built-in, their choices are 0 (now excluding the EU).

Safari appears in 100% of iOS installations.
Safari appears in 100% of Mac OS X installations.
IE appears in 100% of Windows installations.
Chrome appears in Android installations at the vendor’s discretion.

Imagine if the EU crafted a law that required all operating systems to include a browser wheel. That includes OS X and all Linux variants. Would that fly? Not likely. Would they even bother? Probably not… a browser is not really THAT important for so much hassle.

Oh snap.

Just to be clear, I’m not disagreeing with you. I am just clarifying some things. I think we agree for the most part.

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By: e550mercedes http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1053 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 22:58:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1053 “……much like how companies will bundle software on notebooks and desktop PCs. …….. though the Nexus 7 I’ll be getting soon DOES have it pre-installed (because Google as a vendor decided to put it there).”

Exactly! Likewise, Apple as a vendor does the same with its own products, such as the iPhone, iPad and the Mac. Even though I believed they bundled Explorer as a default browser before they developed WebKit and Safari.

As far as the EU goes they are over regulated and I find that they impose the most inane rules and regulations for no other purpose than they can, therefor they do.

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By: Rob Williams http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1052 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:36:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1052 Not that it changes anything, but Safari for Windows was discontinued long ago.

As for that thing with IE being built into Windows… I never understood the reasoning for all of the hatred behind that. It was a part of the OS framework. Unless the main sticking point for people was the fact that it just opened security holes, that I could understand. But I don’t blame Microsoft’s implementation of IE back then. Today it’s a different story, everyone is much smarter about OS design.

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By: Jamie Fletcher http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1051 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:30:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1051 Safari is available on Windows, it’s not exclusive to Apple products at all, in fact, didn’t a bunch of people complain when Apple decided to automatically install Safari and make it the default browser if you had iTunes installed and had auto-updates enabled on Windows? Also, IE can be installed on Macs too.

Anyway, this whole Microsoft debacle dates back to Windows 98, 2000 and early XP. Back then, Internet Explorer was integrated into Windows at the kernel level, you could not use Windows without IE, nor remove it. It wasn’t until much later that the two became separated again (by which time it had already irked the EU). It was at this time that Microsoft wasn’t making available the APIs and library information for competing browsers (and software in general). Windows had a massive OS monopoly, and there was no real alternative at the time.

Also, you cannot compare MS and Apple with this. Apple is a hardware company first, software second. It owns the devices that all software is installed on, thus they are free to do whatever they want. Microsoft is a Software company first, and only recently started to move into hardware. Microsoft does not own the device that you install its software on, thus it cannot dictate what you do with that device, thus it cannot prevent another company
from installing a competing product… which back in the old days, it was doing.

Now, if Microsoft owned the hardware and prevented competing products from installing competing software, that’s fair game… and what do you know, Microsoft Surface and Windows RT, looks a bit like iOS on an iPad doesn’t it.

Anyway, I still find the judgement and EU fine silly; the whole thing silly really. I’m not trying to defend anyone here, but just be aware, that this whole thing is from the 90’s and early millennium, so it all seems absurd now.

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By: Rob Williams http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1050 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:26:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1050 Chrome isn’t a default Web browser on Android. If it happens to be pre-installed on a device, that’s due to a vendor decision, much like how companies will bundle software on notebooks and desktop PCs. The default browser is nameless as far as I’m aware, but it’s developed by the Android Open Source Project. Neither my tablet or phone came with Chrome, though the Nexus 7 I’ll be getting soon DOES have it pre-installed (because Google as a vendor decided to put it there).

I think what Madmat meant by Microsoft “taking it lying down” is that it’s doing nothing to fight this ridiculous ruling. It’s because it knows it won’t win.

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By: Kayden http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1049 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:19:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1049 Seriously why is it when companies like Microsoft, Google, Apple, Samsung and etc are being fined or sued it’s near or over the billions now?

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By: e550mercedes http://techgage.com/news/eu-fines-microsoft-732-million-over-browser-wheel-glitch/#comment-1048 Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:05:00 +0000 http://techgage.com/?post_type=news&p=18899#comment-1048 I agree the rules were totally insane to begin with, but unfortunately Microsoft agreed to those insane rules. In other words, MadmatTG is 100% correct when he wrote: “The problem is that M$ is taking it lying down.”

As to why the EU treats Microsoft differently, that’s an answer that I just don’t know. The same question could be asked why Chrome, in most cases, is the default browser on Android phones.

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